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If the idea of a professional dance photoshoot fills you with equal parts excitement and dread, you are not alone. Most adult dancers have a running list of worries going in: Will I look stiff? What do I even wear? Are my extensions good enough for photos?

Makeup is one of those ballet topics that can be intimidating for adult dancers. Is it normal to wear it to class? How do you keep it from sliding off your face by the end of barre? And if you're performing for the first time, where do you even start with stage makeup?

I recently sat down with Kirsten Kemp, a high-performance mindset coach who works specifically with dancers, for one of my favorite conversations I've had on the podcast. We talked about the psychology behind perfectionism, why it's so common in adult dancers, and most importantly, what to do about it.